Jann Wenner is a man whose taste, preferences and artistic consumption most certainly does have impact: he was the founder of Rolling Stone. And on Friday, the New York Times published an incredible interview with him.
The subject of the interview was Wenner’s new book, “The Masters,” which consists of long-ranging conversations between Wenner and the musicians he finds to be giants in their field, plucked from several decades of Wenner’s tenure at Rolling Stone. Luminaries like Bruce Springsteen, Bono, Jerry Garcia.
The “masters” are all White men. Not a woman or person of color among them. That in itself is noteworthy, but the eye-popping part of the New York Times article happened when the interviewer asked Wenner to explain why.
“Insofar as the women,” Wenner responded, “just none of them were as articulate enough on this intellectual level.”
The interviewer — David Marchese, doing fantastic work — pushed back hard on this, but Wenner refused to budge. He was looking for musicians who were “philosophers of rock,” he explained, and women and Black artists “just didn’t articulate at that level.” What could he possibly mean? Had he never heard Carole King? He supposed, in retrospect, that he could have “gone and found one Black and one woman artist to include here that didn’t measure up to that same historical standard, just to avert this kind of criticism,” but he didn’t because, I guess, he refuses to compromise his self-defined standards.
It’s fine to like what you like. But if you are Jann Wenner, a man who has been in the position to guide conversations about American pop culture for fifty years, how sad is it that it turns out that all of the musicians you find most worthy happen to be musicians who look like you?
Not articulate enough on an intellectual level? Cheese and rice, my dude, usually you have to trudge through an incel forum to find that sentiment spoken so loudly. While he did admit that female musicians might be “creative geniuses,” his main complaint seemed to be that they couldn’t talk about their art in a way that he found compelling or intellectually stimulating: “Joni [Mitchell] was not a philosopher of rock ’n’ roll. She didn’t, in my mind, meet that test.”
It was truly disappointing to read Wenner recycling the tired, harmful idea that including a…